Was Huckabee really attacking LDS?? I say not; Another bizarre doctrine of Joseph Smith was that Jesus and Lucifer (yes, Satan) were actually brothers.

Message to Mormons:

Tell the truth! If you believe it, be proud of it—don’t try to hide it.

Hey… now that I think of it, did any LDS spokesperson deny that what Huckabee said was untrue???? Did anyone ask the LDS is it WAS true??

Very insightful read by Bob Burney of Townhall.com & Radio host

Text highlights are my own.

Mormons: A Plea for Candid Truth Telling

By Bob Burney

What has happened to the simple principle of telling the truth? That question should be posed to the Mormon community. I’m not an expert on anything—but I do know a little bit about Mormonism—or, as they prefer to be called, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS). My father was a Mormon for several years and many of his family were Mormons. I have also spent a considerable amount of time reading LDS literature. Again, that doesn’t make me an expert, but at least educated.

I have observed a notable change in the way the LDS Church presents itself to the general public, an effort that began sometime around the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. Prior to that, there was not a readily-apparent effort by Mormons to identify themselves as a form of Christianity. Joseph Smith believed that the Angel Moroni appeared to him because all of American Christianity had become apostate. He was the one true prophet and the religion he would establish would be the only true church. That’s boiler plate LDS 101. I remember a time when it was common for Mormons to be offended if you called them Christian. That was then.

Sometime around 2002 a very noticeable shift occurred. Suddenly they wanted to be accepted as a part of mainstream Christianity—you know, there are Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans and Mormons. During this time of “repackaging” a document was released titled, “The Living Christ, The Testimony of The Apostles” [available here]. It was a slick document stating what Mormons believed about Jesus. Why slick? To read it, you would think you were reading the doctrinal statement of an Evangelical Church. Now, even a peripheral study of Mormonism will reveal that the Jesus of Mormonism isn’t even in the same universe (literally) as the Jesus of orthodox Christianity. The Jesus of Mormonism is the “spirit child” of his “heavenly parents.” He is in no way part of a triune Godhead.

The wording of “The Living Christ” represents some of the best marketing I have ever seen. It takes Mormon doctrine and makes it sound like standard Christian doctrine. At the same time, the official LDS Web site was totally overhauled and some of the more bizarre doctrines held by the Church were carefully hidden deep within the site—doctrines such as “the Fall” actually being a good thing, not bad; the pre-existence of all humans in heaven with Jesus simply being our “elder brother;” the ability to actually become a God and have your own planet to rule over.

Another bizarre doctrine of Joseph Smith was that Jesus and Lucifer (yes, Satan) were actually brothers. The LDS Web site prior to the Utah Olympics said this:

We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, ‘Whom shall I send?’ Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, ‘Here am I, send me’ (Abraham 3:27).

Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, ‘Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it.’ (Moses 4:1).

Now, here is where my plea for Mormons to simply tell the truth comes in. This is America. You can believe anything you want. If you want to believe that God was once a human being, that Jesus was his physical son, that you can become a God yourself, that Jesus and Satan were brothers, you can certainly do so. But tell the truth! If you believe it, be proud of it—don’t try to hide it.

An interesting illustration of this has been playing itself out in current political news. In an interview with the New York Times Magazine, presidential candidate Mike Huckabee was questioned about his views of the Mormonism of fellow candidate Mitt Romney. Huckabee said he knew little about Mormonism and wondered out loud to the veteran religion reporter Zev Chafets: “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?” Well, that’s exactly what they believe! Several news outlets immediately accused Huckabee of attacking Romney’s religion. Blogs went berserk!

How did candidate Romney respond to someone revealing what his church actually believes? He said, “But I think attacking someone’s religion is really going too far. It’s just not the American way, and I think people will reject that,” Romney told NBC’s “Today” show.

How did the LDS Church respond? The Associated Press quoted an official spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that Huckabee’s question is usually raised “by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.” She went on to say, “We believe, as other Christians believe and Paul wrote, that God is the father of all … That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for.”

She doesn’t deny anything Huckabee said, she is just very deft at using the language of and the association with mainstream Christianity to wrap their unorthodox doctrine in credibility.

Does this have anything to do with Mitt Romney and his qualifications to be president? Everyone will have to decide that in his or her own heart. I just wish the Mormons, including Mitt Romney, would simply be more candid and tell us the straight truth about their religion. Is that too much to ask?

Bob Burney is Salem Communications’ award-winning host of Bob Burney Live, heard weekday afternoons on WRFD-AM 880 in Columbus, Ohio.


Huck camp backtracks on Mormon question

“…he was trying to press me on my thoughts of Mitt Romney’s religion.”

…looks to me like an innocent accident – but the reporter was intent on painitng Mike into the corner… Read on: tell me what you think:

On CNN’s “The Situation Room” Wednesday, Mike Huckabee disavowed a contentious quote he provided in a lengthy New York Times Magazine profile published online, and said he never expected to see the remark in print.

However, both the article’s writer and editor have a different take.

In the article, Zev Chafets wrote that Huckabee, “in an innocent voice,” asked him, “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?”

On Wednesday morning, the quote got traction in the press, and Mitt Romney criticized it on the “Today” show.

Huckabee later apologized to Romney at the Republican candidates’ debate in Des Moines.

Wednesday afternoon, Huckabee described to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer how the interview with Chafets had gone. “Actually, if you’ll talk to the reporter, because he was shocked that that was characterized out of an 8,100-word story, as we were, we thought, good heavens. We were having a conversation. It was over several hours, and the conversation was about religion, and he was trying to press me on my thoughts of Mitt Romney’s religion.

“And I said I don’t want to go there. I don’t know that much about it. I barely know enough about being a Baptist. And I really didn’t know,” the GOP presidential candidate continued.

Huckabee went on to say that Chafets was telling him “things about the Mormon faith, because he frankly is fairly well-schooled on comparative religions. And so as a part of that conversation, I asked the question, because I had heard that, and I asked it not to create something — I never thought it would make the story.”

But Huckabee should not have been too shocked, according to Megan Lieberman, the Times Magazine editor who handled the piece.

Lieberman told Politico that the article was thoroughly fact-checked, and that Alice Stewart, the Huckabee campaign’s press secretary, raised no concerns when briefed on that specific quote prior to publication.

Stewart did not return a call seeking comment.

Found in the Politico

Mitt being like Hillary; Romney: Attacks on religion go too far

…what attack on religion? Huckabee is normally the one on the defensive. Now he slyly asks if Mormans believe Jesus and Satan were brothers. He also admittedly says he’s ignorant about the teachings but, come on – Huckabee never cried that he’s being attacked – but you, Mitt, the one who typically “draws first blood” is crying foul.  That’s a little Hillary-ish; attack first, then cry foul.

That’s my talking memo: now to the story

BOSTON – Republican Mitt Romney retorted to questions about his faith by surging rival Mike Huckabee on Wednesday, declaring that “attacking someone’s religion is really going too far.”

In an article to be published Sunday in The New York Times, Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks, “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?”

Romney, vying to become the first Mormon elected president, declined to answer that question during an interview Wednesday, saying church leaders in Salt Lake City had already addressed the topic.

“But I think attacking someone’s religion is really going too far. It’s just not the American way, and I think people will reject that,” Romney told NBC’s “Today” show.

Asked if he believed Huckabee was speaking in a coded language to evangelicals, Romney praised his rival as a “good man trying to do the best he can,” but he added, “I don’t believe that the people of this country are going to choose a person based on their faith and what church they go to.”

Huckabee maintains that his question in the interview was taken out of context. A statement from his campaign said the full context of the exchange shows Huckabee illustrating his unwillingness to answer questions about Mormonism and theological issues.

“Governor Huckabee has said consistently that he believes this campaign should center on a discussion of the important issues confronting our nation and not focus on questions of religious belief,” said Charmaine Yoest, a senior adviser.

But Huckabee’s campaign did not provide more information about the exchange, which the magazine reported this way in the article by Zev Chafets: “I asked Huckabee, who describes himself as the only Republican candidate with a degree in theology, if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. ‘I think it’s a religion,’ he said. ‘I really don’t know much about it.’

“I was about to jot down this piece of boilerplate when Huckabee surprised me with a question of his own: ‘Don’t Mormons,’ he asked in an innocent voice, ‘believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?'”

Huckabee has been surging in recent opinion polls, taking the GOP lead in Iowa and pressing closer to Rudy Giuliani in polling.

The former Massachusetts governor also was asked why he used the term “Mormon” only once last week in a highly publicized speech about religion in which he said he was proud of his faith.

“Actually, we prefer the name ‘The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,'” he said. “‘Mormon’ used to be a nickname and I don’t use it a lot, but now and then I do because people know what faith I’m referring to, and I talked about ‘my faith’ a number of times, and I don’t imagine anybody is confused about what faith I have.”

The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.

A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee’s question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.

“We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all,” said the spokeswoman, Kim Farah. “That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for.”

Romney also defended his first negative ad of the presidential campaign in Iowa, where Huckabee has erased Romney’s long-standing lead in the polls. The spot, which began airing Tuesday, highlights Huckabee’s support for in-state tuition for the children of illegal immigrants when he was governor of Arkansas, as well as his support for their being eligible for scholarships.

“It’s not negative; it’s accurate,” Romney said. “It’s an ad that shows the differences on a very important topic, and actually, if you agree with Mike Huckabee‘s positions, it’s a positive ad for him. If you agree with my position, it’s a positive ad for me.”

Romney dismissed Huckabee’s rise in the polls — saying he’s seen similar surges from GOP rivals John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson — but he said scrutiny will follow his rival’s rise to the top tier.

“I think Mike was desperately hoping that we would get through this without people taking a close look at his positions and his record, but his record on immigration, on pardons for criminals, on reducing the penalties for meth lab dealers, on taxing and spending — he increased spending from $6 billion to $16 billion. I think those features in his record will cause those numbers to turn around,” Romney said.

My interview with PolitickerNJ.

Huckabee bloggers look forward to bonding beyond virtual world

Fortified by political events in the heartland, Mike Huckabee spear carriers have been slowly but determinedly appearing on the Republican primary battlements in New Jersey.

They know they’re not mobilizing major operations on the East Coast. To get a sense of how Huckabee’s been doing here, in Quinnipiac University’s late September poll, the candidate was two points ahead of Sen. Sam Brownback – who was no longer in the race.

But Huckabee’s Arkansas erstwhileness and Good Book credentials have catapulted the former governor into a double-digit lead over former front-runner Mitt Romney in Iowa, inspiring even his north of the border, shore-hugging supporters.

My site has gone from 20 or 30 hits a day three weeks ago, to between 75 and 100 hits a day,” said Bill Garcia of Englishtown, who in the early fall set up NJChristiansforHuckabee. “Something is definitely catching on.”

“When I set up my website in early September, I was getting seven hits a day – this was before the Huckaboom,” said family man David Friedrich, a teacher in Hopewell Township and founder of Nj4huckabee.blogspot.com. “Now I’m 30-40 hits per day, and a lot of those hits are starting to originate from New Jersey. I’m thrilled.”

Operating independently, Garcia and Friedrich said they both helped collect signatures for Huckabee in time for today’s state Division of Elections deadline to get their candidate on the ballot. Friedrich mailed his in. An official coordinator from the Huckabee campaign accepted Garica’s signatures yesterday at the Day’s Inn in East Brunswick.

“I do know you need 1,000 signatures and we had a goal of 1,700, which we surpassed,” said Garcia, a 42-year old family man and financial planner. “We submitted them in person with a notary public on hand at the hotel.”

Garcia admitted Huckabee’s supporters here have still not gone from the virtual to the animal warmth stage, and are just now scheduling meet-ups around the state to go face to face with others on the Huckabee trail.

“He’s a Christian, and I’m a Christian,” said Garcia of his chief reason for supporting the candidate, an ordained Baptist minister. “It happens I’m also a Baptist. I like the fact that he’s pro life, he’s winning me over on the fair tax. I agree with him on immigration and healthcare. I agree that we don’t want Hillarycare. We want the market to dictate prices.

“Basically it’s conservative family values,” Garcia added. “We need to go back in time rather than forward, in terms of our values.”

In addition to appreciating his candidate’s views on education, healthcare and immigration, Friedrich said of Huckabee from the standpoint of first principles, “he embraces social conservatism and the sanctity of life. He recognizes that marriage is between a man and a woman.’

Panic-stricken by Huckabee’s rise in the polls in Iowa, former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney, a Mormon, last week gave a speech to try to crystalize his Christian beliefs for the sake of uneasy voters.

Garcia wasn’t convinced.

“I like Romney as a guy,” he said. “But I’m also a Baptist. It’s on my blog, and it’s not intended to be an insult but Mormonism is a cult. The teachings are not the same. He didn’t win me over. Maybe America just isn’t ready for a different faith, but in Mormonism you’re subject to officials. You have to drop what you’re doing when they call. If they ask you to do something to increase membership or help with donations, you have to do it. It is an issue.”

Friedrich likewise was unmoved.

“I like Gov. Romney, and I know they were saying over the last few months that he had been planning to address faith and religion,” he said, “but I question the timing of the speech.”

For Romney’s supporters in New Jersey, it’s not his religion that distinguishes the former one-term Massachusetts governor’s public life as much as family values, political results and a business background.

“Romney’s the only first tier candidate who’s got a stable family life,” said former Assemblyman Dick Kamin. “It’s important to show what America’s about.

“He turned around that fiasco in Utah with the Olympics, and he functioned effectively as governor in a very Democratic state,” Kamin added.

Decidedly in the minority here as former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani trounces both Romney and Huckabee in New Jersey polls, Garcia and Friedrich are nonetheless convinced they have a winner nationwide, and look forward to bonding and working with others committed to a Huckabee presidency.

“I don’t know much about politics,” said Garcia. “But a few months ago I didn’t know anything about blogs either.”

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Mormon Teachings Worry Some Voters

…as it should.

The text in red below, illustrates the distinctive difference between Christianity, and the cult “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”


— Disagreement over the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is at the core of conservative Christian worry about a possible Mitt Romney presidency.

Romney, the Republican former governor of Massachusetts, would be the first Mormon president if elected next year.

Mormons believe that authentic Christianity vanished a century after Jesus and was restored only through Joseph Smith, whom Mormons consider a prophet.

Smith revised _ and in his view corrected _ large sections of the Bible in the 19th century, an act of heresy in the eyes of Protestant and Roman Catholic leaders. The Mormon scriptures include the Old and New Testaments, but also include books containing Smith’s revelations.

Latter-day Saints counter that they are badly misunderstood and insist their church is indeed Christian.

“Even as we invite one and all to examine closely the marvel of it, there is one thing we would not like anyone to wonder about it _ that is whether or not we are Christians,” Jeffrey R. Holland, a member of the church’ governing board, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, said at an LDS meeting two months ago in Salt Lake City.

But the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation’s largest Protestant group, sends missionaries to Mormon communities to spread “the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.” Many other Christian denominations don’t recognize Mormon baptism.


The LDS cult: Click here to learn more